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Peugeot Tourmalet with brand new parts?
#1
Last week I stumbled across this Peugeot in a french bring and buy sale. I bought it and fell in love. Now I want to build it up using new parts. If possible. Please dont tell me to forget about building it up and just ride it as is. Please dont tell me it is not worth it. But if you can help me, I will be very greatful.

I have been studying Sheldon Brown (great, but not the clearest website ever) and have come to a deadend.

Now, what is the deal with the threading system? sizing? Can I buy a modern crank and just replace it? What about the forks and the stem and the handlebars? The front derailleur? Is this mlission doomed to failure?

many thanks
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#2
No reason this should be any big problem to build up. The first thing to do is probably try to identify the year. Hopefully you can find the serial number. You may also be able to identify by decals and components.
http://www.retropeugeot.com/

On the BB, the easiest indication of threading is whether the drive side is normal or reverse thread. If it is reverse (left hand) thread, it is probably english and you're good to go. If it's normal (right hand) thread, it is french and you'll be able to get parts, but probably will have to order special instead of just grabbing something off the shelf at an bike shop. Worst case is there are Peugeots that have swiss thread, but I think these are very rare. Take the BB apart and look for thread markings on the cups and spindle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bottom_bracket#Shell_diameters_and_threading

I think older Peugeots used a different threading on the headset/fork. But I'm guessing yours is new enough to have english thread. Again, Knowing the year will help to be sure.
Some french handlebar stems are also very slightly smaller diameter where they go into the fork. The difference is a fraction of a millimeter though and you can usually sand things to fit without any issue. Sometimes it is just the locknut on the headset that is small and must be sanded. Sometimes it is the actual inner diameter of the steerer tube of the fork and you have to sand the shaft of the stem. But it's doable and may not be an issue anyway on an 80's bike.

Front derailleur shouldn't be an issue. You just need something with the right clamp diameter. Not aware of this being different on french bikes, (but maybe someone else knows).

I won't offer any opinion on whether you "should" build this up with new parts. But I will say, think a bit about what you're trying to achieve beforehand. Any "upgrade" project can turn into a serious money hole if you don't know where you're headed. Note also that this bike probably has 126 or smaller spacing in the rear so going to 8/9/10 speed would also involve having the frame coldset to take a wider rear wheel. Again, doable, but another factor to know going in.
Good luck!

(Also make sure the stem and seatpost are not seized before you do anything! Looks like there might be some rust going on there.)
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#3
Based on the pictures you posted, your bike is pretty new, mid 90's or later. This is based on the fact there are no lugs on the frame set. Thus it is very likely that the threading for the BB is current standard.

The first thing I would replace is the brakes, with Tektro dual pivots. Read about reach on Sheldon's site, to determine how to measure reach, and then figure out which model you need.

Your headset is a 1" threaded, you can replace it with another 1" threaded or threadless (1" threadless are very rare).

You can get one of these: http://www.amazon.com/Origin8-Threaded-Threadless-Quill-Adapter/dp/B0037N6PEC/ref=sr_1_10?s=cycling&ie=UTF8&qid=1320628940&sr=1-10
and then use any stem intended for 1 1/8 threadless. And of course whatever handle bars/levers/shifters you want.

Derailleurs - almost anything will work. I would not replace them, unless there is any issue with how they are functioning. The front derailleur on my World Tourist is original http://forums.bikeride.com/thread-3216.html
because it works great. The rear is not, for the same reason, it did not work so well.

As Dave mentioned, measure your OLD; I am suspecting that you will find that it is 130 or 135mm; because of the relative newness.

Building up bikes is an expensive hobby, with no economic justification. Many of us do it, and enjoy the time spent working on our bikes. We all know that if the end result where the only thing we wanted, buying new would be much much cheaper.

My projects:
http://forums.bikeride.com/thread-3216.html
http://forums.bikeride.com/thread-3036.html
http://forums.bikeride.com/thread-3598.html
http://forums.bikeride.com/thread-3167.html
http://forums.bikeride.com/thread-2920.html
Nigel
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#4
nfmisso Wrote:Building up bikes is an expensive hobby, with no economic justification.

As it is with anything that you enjoy doing. I haven't done it in a while, but I like rebuilding old cars. Talk about an expense.

To the OP, I think if you are really set on bringing this bike into the modern ages, go for it. The cost of rebuilding may not be worth it in the long run, but the sense of accomplishment and the joy you will get riding it when you are done is "priceless."
HCFR Cycling Team
Ride Safe...Ride Hard...Ride Daily
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#5
I am new to this forum and can I just say I am blown away by the rapid, indepth responses. So Thank you.

Secondly the information was incredibly helpful and all systems are, so to speak, go go go. Your advice, along with the internet, has cemented my plans to bring this bike into the 21st century.

I will keep you updated with how it is going.
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#6
I had this response on another site which has confused me a bit. Apart from the lingo, the actual sentences dont make sense. Can anyone translate?

"FAIK, there are no French threaded bearings for a crank like that.

Thats one of the newer external bearing cranks and the cups come only in English and Italian theaded versions but not French (or Swiss). You will be able to find French threaded cup-and cone and cartridge bottom brackets with square taper spindles and that's about as "modern" as you are going to get"
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#7
(11-07-2011, 05:32 PM)nowyouseeme Wrote:  I had this response on another site which has confused me a bit. Apart from the lingo, the actual sentences dont make sense. Can anyone translate?

"FAIK, there are no French threaded bearings for a crank like that.

Thats one of the newer external bearing cranks and the cups come only in English and Italian theaded versions but not French (or Swiss). You will be able to find French threaded cup-and cone and cartridge bottom brackets with square taper spindles and that's about as "modern" as you are going to get"

I do not understand the quote either. Your bike appears to have a current style cartridge bottom bracket with square taper spindles. I sincerely doubt that you have to worry about French threading.

You may want to check out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqtoGmOUW9w
http://cyclespeugeot.com/images/1987_PH10LE_Tourmalet.jpg
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php/58983-Peugeot-Tourmolet-14-Speed
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php/771273-Early-90-s-Peugeot-Tourmalet-PE-200-Need-info-about-restoration-little-out-there!
Nigel
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#8
I'm 99.9% sure you have a "cup and cone" BB with a square taper spindle, though it looks like you are missing the lockring on the non-drive side. If so, that would normally cause the BB to come out of adjustment all the time. I think the missing lock ring is confusing people trying to identify what you have. But the tool fitting on the non-drive side is classic cup and cone.

I think the other commenter is referring to the new style "external bearing" bottom brackets.
http://www.bikeman.com/bicycle-repair-tech-info/bikeman-tech-info/1599-bottom-bracket-types
It may be true that you can't get those in french thread. But I'm fairly sure you can get french cartridge BBs. And as others have said, you probably don't have french threads anyway. But I wouldn't assume that until you confirm somehow. (Also wouldn't assume that commenter knows what they're talking about if they think your pictures show an external bearing BB...just sayin Wink
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#9
I was given a Peugeot Tourmalet by a friend I managed to do it up with all new parts it is totally worth the time and effort.


Regards

Saxman69
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#10
This is a picture of my Peugeot Tourmalet


Regards

Saxman69
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#11
Very Nice !!...what type and size wheels?
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#12
(12-11-2012, 05:08 PM)Giulianna23 Wrote:  Very Nice !!...what type and size wheels?

They are standard size Bontrager wheels. Got them from red kite in a sale £100 if I remember correctly. Very nice wheels.


Regards

Saxman69
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#13
Looks sweet!
There are two kinds of people in the world, "Those who help themselves to people, and those who help people!"
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#14
Nice bike you got there! Ya know you can make a thread with your pictures here.....
http://forums.bikeride.com/forum-36.html
Give us the story and components trials failure while building it, etc. Smile .
Good maintenance to your Bike, can make it like the wheels are, true and smooth!
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#15
(12-11-2012, 12:16 PM)Saxman69 Wrote:  This is a picture of my Peugeot Tourmalet

I WANT THAT WALLPAPER!
Wheelies don't pop themselves. (from a QBP fortune cookie)
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(12-13-2012, 10:58 PM)RobAR Wrote:  
(12-11-2012, 12:16 PM)Saxman69 Wrote:  This is a picture of my Peugeot Tourmalet

I WANT THAT WALLPAPER!

It isn't wall paper I drew all the images on using a over head projector and a permanent maker pen it is totally unique and 23 foot long.


Regards

Saxman69
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#17
I was going to ask about the instrument (the crazy Belgian one by Adolphe Sax) on the wall, then I read your nickname. Good work on the wall and nice ride you have! Welcome, fellow musician and cyclist!
Create a thread to show off!
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#18
I Have now finished upgrading my old Peugeot Tourmalet please see the attached photo[/font]
Before It was put back together.


Regards

Saxman69
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