Looking for info regarding these two vintage bikes

[HippoBigga]

Hello all !

I'm looking into buying a vintage bike and I've found these two. The ads don't have much information regarding them and I was wondering if you could help me ID the frame manufacturers and perhaps what year/decade they're from.

Thanks a ton !

[Criminal]

I would try to help you, but photos are not the best. They both appear to be later '80s to late '90s. I cannot tell you much about the frames without detailed pictures. Possibly send a message to a member: Jesper, and see if he can help. He knows vintage steel fairly well. I think he's offline for bit sue to work or vacation, but I know he will respond. He will also recommend better photos. I did notice that those tow frames are significantly different in size, 2-3 cm. Make sure you get a bike that fits you! Also, the red bike seems to have more a racing geometry than does the multicolor one which may be a touring frame. Depending on the tubing, if they were identical in size, you would need to know what you primarily plan to use it for.