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Climbing hills: Where have you found the most beneficial foot position on the pedals?
#1
I don't have clip-ons and I mountain bike 90% of my rides.

Over the years, I have experimented with my foot position on the pedals when climbing hills.

I've tried with the pedal on my forefoot and with it in the middle of my foot.

Where have you found the most benefit with your foot position on the pedals?
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#2
(04-18-2025, 12:27 AM)Flowrider Wrote:  I don't have clip-ons and I mountain bike 90% of my rides.

Over the years, I have experimented with my foot position on the pedals when climbing hills.

I've tried with the pedal on my forefoot and with it in the middle of my foot.

Where have you found the most benefit with your foot position on the pedals?

I dont think foot position is more important than saddle. I tilt down 2-4cm depending on % of elevation. I have done 10% for 20km in the dolomites and just stand and sit and dance🚲

But get clips
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#3
Everyone's foot is slightly different. You just have to experiment and find the right position that is most comfortable for you.
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#4
I've rode a lot of different size bikes and I would say that the frame size has a lot to do with the comfort factor of climbing.

That being said, foot placement will follow suit.

I don't personally find that it makes any difference, moreso, if you're climbing long distance you may or will need to change your foot placement to tap into reserve muscle. This is the same as tapping into your hips to sprint once you've used up all the oxygen in your quads and hamstrings. This is why variation in cycling is so important, and building up all those muscle groups is clutch.

Oval rings and narrower tires are the only things I've experienced that really changes the climbing experience.
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#5
Thanks all for the feedback. From that, I think I've placed too much emphasis on my foot position.
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#6
(04-18-2025, 12:27 AM)Flowrider Wrote:  I don't have clip-ons and I mountain bike 90% of my rides.

Over the years, I have experimented with my foot position on the pedals when climbing hills.

I've tried with the pedal on my forefoot and with it in the middle of my foot.

Where have you found the most benefit with your foot position on the pedals?
For maximum power on climbs, the ball of your foot (forefoot) over the pedal axle is generally best. It gives you better leverage and engages your calf muscles more effectively. Mid-foot can feel more stable for technical climbs but usually sacrifices some power.
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#7
@Flowrider , what @JJMarsh says is most correct. Please disregard the "whatever is most comfortable" advice; as we all know everyone's body is anatomically slightly different already or we would, in this case, all be wearing the exact same shoe size.

If you do not use clip-in pedals (giving the most efficient use of muscles) then I would at least recommend using a pedal and/or shoe that reasonably maintains the foot position with the ball of the foot centered over the axle.

I cycled in various aspects (on- and off-road; including mountain climbing) without the use of any specialized or cycling specific equipment (bike, pedals, shoes, etc.) for the first ~10 yrs of my cycling. The next ~10 yrs (primarily road, gravel) were with toe clips. For the past ~35 yrs have been using "clipless" pedals 99% of the time (for all disciplines, competition and leisure). Whether or nor you ride a heavier steel frame of the lightest weight carbon fiber designs, you will get the most advantage and effiency out of using a foot retention design. This would be quite evident when you do try it if you have yet to do so.

Aside from my cycling experience I also have a background in engineering (primarily mechanical and design) and more importantly in healthcare where I worked in physical/occupational therapy; as well as the operating room where I witnessed the most drastic results of the falsehood of doing "that is most comfortable for you". Comfort does not mean proper, and it certainly does not mean efficiency (otherwise you would use a couch on wheels to cycle). Anyone who says so is blind to the facts, and has never witnessed tendons, ligaments, and other connective tissue being reconfigured in order to gain a reasonably pain-free use of their body after yesrs of doing something because of comfort (comfort is important, but under the proper sitiuations). Believe me, it is too late once the pain occurring from doing that which is "most comfortable" sets in.

Think about climbing stairs (essentially similar when climbing on a bike). Do you do it flat footed? Or do you do it on the ball of your foot? Do you contact a stair tread with the arch of your foot? Do you climb stairs without lifting your leg to attain the next level, or do drag it behind you hopping up stairs on one leg. Being clipoed in allows the full use of a leg's muscles; otherwise you are in essence climbing hills using one leg (1/2 of the muscles per leg).

You are bringing up a very specific situation which is not suited to general comments.

In another post you talk about climbing more easily (I read as more efficiently). Any side to side l and up and down motion of the body and/or bike results in wasted energy and loss of efficiency regardless of whether you are climbing or not. I won't get into mind control and all that; but you do need to focus on maintaining "form" while performing at a high level until the body functions through muscle memory and you can then concentrate more on navigating a course with your body in "auto-pilot" mode; not thinking about foot position and other distractions. I suggest learning meditation within before using music and other BS to focus the mind. I am not saying you should not use auditory "drugs" as a distraction, but if you have not already trained your mind without external needs then you have skipped an important step. The "music" of nature is all that is required externally.

If you do not ride one meter efficiently with body and mind; then you should not worry about a kilometer until having done so.
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#8
Thanks @Jesper for taking the time out for such an in-depth reply.

There's a lot to discuss in that, and the key is for people to take what they can and apply it to their body mechanics and find what works for them.

So what starts as general becomes specific.

I believe the mind-body connection is an area that people should explore in great depth.

You touch on it with the mention of learning meditation.

Your mind and body can have a great conversation that aids each other in enjoying the ride even more.

For me, there is very little in my life that can replace mountain biking in Nature with beautiful forestry and birdsong!
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#9
A quick foot placement video from Global Mountain Bike Network:
https://youtu.be/aG3f1dEesaA?si=c4C_jYSLbIetAPgF
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#10
I think this is a sign for you to go clipless haha you won't have this question in your head since there's only one way to go haha
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